I am rachelreid2 on this news feed: however you can view the feedback better if you go to the CBS site ...... I could not stay quiet... she was murdered because of who she was and as a marine.... I could have been her !!
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I don't think any of that matters.
Whether the private should or should not be charged and, if so, what with depends on what mitigating factors may be present. Were there?
So far I don't see any.
Did Jennifer (or, if you please, Jeffery) assault the private? No. Did she attempt to steal something of his or blackmail him into doing (whatever)? Again, no. Was she overseen by some hulking 6'8" linebacker type who could and does eat tigers for breakfast? Private Joseph Scott has never said and I am dead sure if there were any hint of a watchful and possibly hostile presence nearby, he would shout it from the rooftops. So, that would be "no" also.
The conclusion I come to is Jennifer committed nothing more serious than a little bait and switch, No overt aggression against a man perfectly capable of defending himself against even that hypothetical "minder" mentioned previously. No other crime against Pfc. Pemberton's person that could even be construed as a misdemeanor.
Nope, she doesn't even deserve a dose of "Whoop-ass" let alone a gristly slaughter.
This is a tragedy. A tragedy for all concerned.
I learned so much in the Marines traveling to 8 countries by the time i was 20 yrs old. people are people and everyone has something to add to this world and Ms. Luade cannot add one thing since she is dead now and that is horrible
How do we know anything since we have the words of only the Marines? I served in the Marines far too long to take the word of a group of Marines!! Have you ever served in the Marines?
if the Gunny, or an officer said it happened this way and you will say it .. it happens... we do not know anything for fact!! the problem is too many people think like you and this is dangerous and you knocked on the wrong door!!
Six years in the Marines and too many experiences that tell me the whole story is not in the public eye
YOU ARE ARE USING A DEFENSE THAT HE WAS A VICTIM AND SHE WAS THE ATTACKER1! THIS IS SICK!!
"Some people don't understand the seriousness of what Jeffery did."
I am using that quote because OMS has used it at least twice in previous posts. A man passing himself off as a woman, however uncouth that may be, is not so serious that killing him OR defending anyone who does is an appropriate response.
What Jeffery/Jennifer did would have pissed me off too, but it wasn't as though (s)he held a knife at the marine's throat or tried to rip him off. It already had been established there was no vestige of an attempt on Joseph's part to defend himself from a physical assault. All the dame/dude did was misrepresent herself. It's really annoying but it wasn't that serious; some would, in fact, say it wasn't serious at all.
I also question your description of Pemberton as "normal". Normal people don't go off like he did. The guy obviously had some issues to start and maybe should have never been allowed in the Corps to begin with.
So, I am really easy with the criticism aren't I? If I'm so dam' smart, what would I have done? I can't say for sure but it would probably have been very much the same as what I did do when I was faced with an identical situation in my own youth:
And that was to issue to her (or him - whatever) a set of biologically impossible instructions to be carried out forthwith and simply walk away....
we are taking the word of 4 marines that were taken back to their ship and counseled by legal for days on the ship before the private was turned over to the Filipinos. I know the Marine culture all too well and when a major or Lt Col says this is what you are going to say.. you say .. yes sir!! Did this happen?
I and other marines find it very odd that the lowest ranking marine is being charged!! this happens all the time in other cases and there is nothing that marine can do about it.
Rachel
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Easy there now.
As I said, killing the man was wrong. A severe beating would have sufficed. What this Jeffery person did was inexcusable and many normal men would also be outraged.
Nonsense!
That's disgusting.
Yes, I understand that you are saying that killing the man?woman? was wrong. On that we agree.
Where we part company is where you say she?he? deserved some kind of physical assault. She (or, perhaps, he) did not. What Jeffery/Jennifer did may have been way out of line, but since it has already been established that she (I'll stick with that pronoun for now) did not initiate any physical violence, any done to her was even less excusable.
I would have beat the crap out of "it" and dumped "it" somewhere.
Perhaps killing was a bit over the top.
"It" should not have passed "itself" off as female.
on that note the marines were taken back to the ship and we know the legal talked to them on what they would say and do and they had their marching orders. the overriding issue that will determine this case is we want a military presence in this part of the world again.
also the marines have not changed in the 30 yrs since i served!!! in 2009 a woman accused a marine of sexual assault and she was called a slut and refused a transfer to another unit b/c of unit requirements of her of MOS.
we all know the marines have their rules... may god hold you and others accountable for your horrible comments this woman deserved to be murdered b/c of who she was .....
yes i will tell you i was born a male and now i am a woman!!! i know what the other marines would do to me if they knew of me ....... i would be killed and it would be considered a suicide!!!
Rachel Reid, Sgt USMC
1977-1984
This was no woman!
This was a guy dressed up like a woman to lure in unsuspecting normal men for homosexual sex.
Not a smart move.
again how do we know the marine did not know before they went into the hotel room? take the word of 4 marines taken back to the ship then one released to the authorities?
I am not klan and I've never claimed to be Hispanic.
And if you can't see the seriousness of a man posing as a woman to lure normal men into a homosexual type situation, then that is your problem.
Those sickos should just stick to one another.
Normal guys want nothing to do with that kind of deviancy.
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If you're so sure, then you either can't read or you are simply ignoring blatant facts.
"Pemberton, a skilled boxer, allegedly said he choked her from behind with his arm "for a couple of minutes" until she stopped moving then dragged her into the bathroom" where he drowned her.
That's no accident.
The transgender man was operating under dishonest motives.
Some people don't understand the seriousness of what Jeffery did.
This was no woman.
It was a guy dressed like a woman.
Women do not have penises.
The disgusting nature of transgender IS everything about this case.
Maybe she didn't overpower him, or drug him, or get him drunk first, but she did intentionally trick him. Is that really any better? Do you really not think that the experience would be emotionally scarring or cause rage? Do you not think that a straight man can be emotionally damaged when being sexually molested? If a woman was sexually molested by a guy and then after it stopped, she shot him with a gun because she was emotionally distressed, would you not sympathize with her?
people fear what they do not understand !!
on an occasion a gay male was discharged that was in intelligence at kaneohe Bay when i served and other marines said , " i stick a boom stick up his ass then slice his throat" as they high fived each other.
there is no tolerance or acceptance in the marines!!
If a woman was sexually molested by a guy and then after it stopped, she immediately shot him with a gun because she was emotionally distressed, would you not sympathize with her? Those cases have happened and they are complicated. I don't see this case as being different depending on what happened.
first she is a molester then maybe the marine suffered temp insanity? you are trying to justify the murder of a woman based on the fact she had a dick!!
I know what this is all like and I can tell you that there is no choice at any level in if i wear a dress or suit!! the fact is a bit about me tells the mind set of this man where my mere presence was justification for a man to pull a knife on me otherwise that woman in PI could have been me!!
you are missing the point that, at some level, you are justifying the murdering of a woman because of her mere existence and her family is not without a daughter, granddaughter or friend!!!
there is no justification!!!
"She?"
It was an "it" and nothing more.
Someone will walk up to me
"Hey can I buy you a drink?"
"Sure you can, but you should know I'm not into guys."
"That's too bad."
About 50% of the time they buy me the drink and we chat nicely and about 50% of the time they move on. But that is how a pick up attempt is supposed to go. Everyone puts their cards on the table and you go from there. My transgendered friends understand that many people aren't going to be attracted to them and most of them accept it and look for someone that will.
The guy should have said no, laughed in the Jennifer's face (if he felt like hurting her) and left.
You obviously don't understand the seriousness of what this Jeffery did.
Her name is Jennifer!
That's hilarious.
A man named Jennifer.
He can call himself whatever he wishes but if he has male genitals then he is a male!
Claiming otherwise is being dishonest.
The thing is, Jeffrey may have not known the marine would react violently. He's probably been with many straigt men from the same place he met his killer.
The whole thing is a senseless murder and a shame.
I can admit that it's embarrassing to a man to accidentally pick up another man thinking they are attractive only to find out that their heterosexuality may be in question (which it's not). But men need to learn that it's ok to find people (regardless of gender) attractive. There is nothing wrong with that. You just don't like "it" the way they do.
Highly doubtful that any normal man would ever let a sicko like that touch him.
If he's still walking around, he hasn't tricked many normal men, if any at all.
What did Jeffery think was going to happen when he whipped it out? Did he really think a normal man was going to go for it? If he wasn't beaten to death, he would have been lucky, especially not being in the U.S.
Agreed.
A severe beating would have been more appropriate for what Jeffery did.
And thats no joke.
He will be the girl in many relationships and future endeavors as a member of the boys club. Ironic isn't it?
And you have no problem with that?
I have a problem with murder - regardless of Jeffrey's gender. All the marine had to do was excuse himself from the room and no harm done. You are hating on the victim and never knew him personally. Pre-judging at its worst.
The thing id like to know is, were his other buddies' women , "women" or transgender and they didnt disclose what went on behind their separate motel rooms?
Murder is murder, no matter who the victim is.
I just knew some progressive liberal would come along and disregard what gay Jeffery did to get himself killed.
Blacks, Mexicans, and gays - anyone else we need to know on your hate list?
Hate list?
Did I express any hatred? I most certainly don't hate black people. I have no problem with Mexicans, as long as they didn't come here illegally to leech off of our economy. And I have no hatred for gays. I only oppose the choices they make.
This is about a man who dressed up like a woman, lured a normal man into a sexual situation, and then whipped it out and yelled, "Surprise".
If you don't see any problem with that, then you are the one with the problem.
As such, what you're saying, clearly, is that a non-crime by one person deserved the breaking of one of God's only ten commandments by another? Really? You value life so little that you believe that (allegedly) not being truthful about one's gender is a murder-worthy offense? You can make that judgment? A lie, even one that you find offensive, is Literally worth taking someone's life? If that's true, yeah, there most certainly *is* someone with a problem in this conversation.
I don't agree with the murder, but I'm able to understand the extreme rage that would have been present when the truth was revealed.
A severe beating would have been more appropriate than murder.
You are right @Repubs, "that" sort to the unlikes of OscarMeyer are just old assed hatful obsoletes.
Sad all around.
He dresses up like a woman. He lures a normal man into a sexual situation. He whips it out and yells, "Surprise".
What did he think was going to happen?
Most normal men would not be able to give someone like that a pass. I know I wouldn't have been able to.
I wouldn't have killed him, but I would have severely beaten him in hopes that he wouldn't victimize anyone else with his deviant behavior.