Tuesday, December 30, 2014

this trans suicide is another reason i see so much purpose in what i am doing in my life

http://groobypost.com/transgender-teen-commits-suicide-cites-christian-parents-in-blog.html

this is not god's nightmare but mankinds!!
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Monday, December 15, 2014

CBS news feedback and my big mouth sounds off

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-marine-joseph-pemberton-charged-with-killing-filipino-transgender/#postComments

I am rachelreid2 on this news feed:  however you can view the feedback better if you go to the CBS site ...... I could not stay quiet... she was murdered because of who she was and as a marine.... I could have been her !!



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There seems to be some discussion about how responsible Jennifer was in this whole evolution. Some say she misrepresented herself. Others say there may have been some (or even a lot) of......hmmm.....canoodling before they decided it was time to hit the bricks. It may be that Jenny was so skilled at "presenting" as a female that Pfc. Pemberton was completely fooled and his sense of manhood propriety was offended.
I don't think any of that matters.
Whether the private should or should not be charged and, if so, what with depends on what mitigating factors may be present. Were there?
So far I don't see any.
Did Jennifer (or, if you please, Jeffery) assault the private? No. Did she attempt to steal something of his or blackmail him into doing (whatever)? Again, no. Was she overseen by some hulking 6'8" linebacker type who could and does eat tigers for breakfast? Private Joseph Scott has never said and I am dead sure if there were any hint of a watchful and possibly hostile presence nearby, he would shout it from the rooftops. So, that would be "no" also.
The conclusion I come to is Jennifer committed nothing more serious than a little bait and switch, No overt aggression against a man perfectly capable of defending himself against even that hypothetical "minder" mentioned previously. No other crime against Pfc. Pemberton's person that could even be construed as a misdemeanor.
Nope, she doesn't even deserve a dose of "Whoop-ass" let alone a gristly slaughter.

I consider myself to be pretty much in the "live and let live" category.  But, being fooled at that level of my humanity could well exceed my capacity for tolerance or forgiveness.
This is a tragedy.  A tragedy for all concerned. 


@grndpaw The guy did a quick pick-up.  Just decided he wanted to have sex.  When you don't spend anytime getting to know someone and all you want is jump and go, then I 100% disagree with you.  You get what you get.  The world has transgendered people in it, pay attention.  You don't want to be with one then don't.  That is easy to do.  Quick sex hook-ups are rife with problems not to mention STDs.  The guy who murdered the transgendered person is violent and will pay, and pay dearly... as he should.

@grndpaw the core issue is tolerance when what we need in this world is compassion and understanding! people in the late 70's belittled me because I had served in the Marines and I would hit back by saying and what college did you graduate from? the fact is people fear what they do not know or understand.

I learned so much in the Marines traveling to 8 countries by the time i was 20 yrs old.  people are people and everyone has something to add to this world and Ms. Luade cannot add one thing since she is dead now and that is horrible

Murder is murder, regardless of sexuality.  Hope they throw the book at him.


@jenmead Not if he was defending himself from a sexual assault. We know the transgender man was being dishonest and presenting himself falsely as a woman.


@bolognadems @jenmead sexual assault? I wonder what DNA came up in the condom they found in the hotel room?

How do we know anything since we have the words of only the Marines? I served in the Marines far too long to take the word of a group of Marines!! Have you ever served in the Marines?

if the Gunny, or an officer said it happened this way and you will say it .. it happens... we do not know anything for fact!! the problem is too many people think like you and this is dangerous and you knocked on the wrong door!!

Six years in the Marines and too many experiences that tell me the whole story is not in the public eye

@bolognadems @jenmead He would have to show that she was keeping him from walking away from the situation to justify a kill in the face of sexual assault. It seems like he just found out she was transgendered and took her out from behind.

@bolognadems @jenmead A transgendered person is considered a woman, just showing us how ignorant you are?  There was no sexual assault, the transgendered woman undressed in front of him, which is showing him everything, and that is not assault.  After all the guy wanted quick sex, no time to have long discussions.  Just show him what ya got.  This marine's actions are wrong and he will pay.

@bolognadems @jenmead sexual assault? Marines are trained in hand to hand combat and many like myself take additional martial arts classes. The marine was a skilled boxer on top of all of this......and he is the victim?

YOU ARE ARE USING A DEFENSE THAT HE WAS A VICTIM AND SHE WAS THE ATTACKER1! THIS IS SICK!!

From Oscar Morales Sanchito
"Some people don't understand the seriousness of what Jeffery did."
I am using that quote because OMS has used it at least twice in previous posts. A man passing himself off as a woman, however uncouth that may be, is not so serious that killing him OR defending anyone who does is an appropriate response.
What Jeffery/Jennifer did would have pissed me off too, but it wasn't as though (s)he held a knife at the marine's throat or tried to rip him off. It already had been established there was no vestige of an attempt on Joseph's part to defend himself from a physical assault. All the dame/dude did was misrepresent herself. It's really annoying but it wasn't that serious; some would, in fact, say it wasn't serious at all.
I also question your description of Pemberton as "normal". Normal people don't go off like he did. The guy obviously had some issues to start and maybe should have never been allowed in the Corps to begin with.
So, I am really easy with the criticism aren't I? If I'm so dam' smart, what would I have done? I can't say for sure but it would probably have been very much the same as what I did do when I was faced with an identical situation in my own youth:
And that was to issue to her (or him - whatever) a set of biologically impossible instructions to be carried out forthwith and simply walk away....


@lloydbest1the core issue is people seem to want to use her old name, Jeffery!! also how do we know the marines did not know she was born a genetic male!! when i was in PI so many of the " transgendered women": benny boys were very open about who and what they were.

we are taking the word of 4 marines that were taken back to their ship and counseled by legal for days on the ship before the private was turned over to the Filipinos.  I know the Marine culture all too well and when a major or Lt Col says this is what you are going to say.. you say .. yes sir!! Did this happen?
I and other marines find it very odd that the lowest ranking marine is being charged!! this happens all the time in other cases and there is nothing that marine can do about it.
Rachel 


@rachelreid2 @lloydbest1 Rachel, on this site there are a lot of low life haters, SANCHITO is one of the biggest ones.  They don't care about morality unless it is defined by their hatred.


@lloydbest1
Easy there now.
As I said, killing the man was wrong. A severe beating would have sufficed. What this Jeffery person did was inexcusable and many normal men would also be outraged.


@Oscar Morales Sanchito @lloydbest1 those men that are out raged amongst their friends are the very ones that once their friends leave they want to get us in bed!! i saw this in the Marines too many times.this is also a running joke in the trans community.


@Oscar Morales Sanchito
Yes, I understand that you are saying that killing the man?woman? was wrong. On that we agree.
Where we part company is where you say she?he? deserved some kind of physical assault. She (or, perhaps, he) did not. What Jeffery/Jennifer did may have been way out of line, but since it has already been established that she (I'll stick with that pronoun for now) did not initiate any physical violence, any done to her was even less excusable.


As a marine that served two tours and one that has been on two westpacs this is a horrible murder of a woman.  those who think this was a justified murder and she got what she deserved. you better think twice b/c i served in the corps and i know and you know if you served what others say of transgendered women... ie i will make the wanna be bitch into a woman then i will slice her fucken throat and kill her....
on that note the marines were taken back to the ship and we know the legal talked to them on what they would say and do and they had their marching orders. the overriding issue that will determine this case is we want a military presence in this part of the world again.
also the marines have not changed in the 30 yrs since i served!!!  in 2009 a woman accused a marine of sexual assault and she was called a slut and refused a transfer to another unit b/c of unit requirements of her of MOS.
we all know the marines have their rules... may god hold you and others accountable for your horrible comments this woman deserved to be murdered b/c of who she was .....
yes i will tell you i was born a male and now i am a woman!!! i know what the other marines would do to me if they knew of me ....... i would be killed and it would be considered a suicide!!!
Rachel Reid, Sgt USMC
1977-1984


@rachelreid2
This was no woman!
This was a guy dressed up like a woman to lure in unsuspecting normal men for homosexual sex.
Not a smart move.


@Oscar Morales Sanchito @rachelreid2 I am a woman like her!!! the issue is you see a woman like us and we activate the launch sequence and then you think to yourself does this make me gay?

again how do we know the marine did not know before they went into the hotel room? take the word of 4 marines taken back to the ship then one released to the authorities?


@rachelreid2 @Oscar Morales Sanchito Don't bother much with that guy you are answering.  He is a low life jerk who offends everybody, he would throw his own grandmother under the bus for a dime!  That isn't his name either, he is some clan member posing as Hispanic.


@jenmead
I am not klan and I've never claimed to be Hispanic.

And if you can't see the seriousness of a man posing as a woman to lure normal men into a homosexual type situation, then that is your problem.

Those sickos should just stick to one another.
Normal guys want nothing to do with that kind of deviancy.

@Oscar Morales Sanchito @rachelreid2 Normal men?  There are no normal men.  Besides she was a woman who wanted a man.  He, and you, are the ones that are messed up.  Take some time to get to know someone before you decide to be intimate and none of this would have happened.  So both are to blame, they wanted to jump in the sack and they got what they got.  However, he needs to be jailed for life for taking another life.  End of story.

@BOLOGNA...I'm sure this Marine didn't mean to kill the molester/rapist
____________________________________
If you're so sure, then you either can't read or you are simply ignoring blatant facts.

"Pemberton, a skilled boxer, allegedly said he choked her from behind with his arm "for a couple of minutes" until she stopped moving then dragged her into the bathroom" where he drowned her.

That's no accident.

The transgender man lied to the Marine and attempted to molest him. The Marine was as justified in killing the transgender man as any woman who fights back against an attempted rape would be.
The transgender man was operating under dishonest motives.  


@bolognadems
Some people don't understand the seriousness of what Jeffery did.


The same people who claim the moral highground and declare themselves to be sensitive and open minded think it's funny when a straight man is sexually molested.


@Arthur-76 Who said it was funny? It was a horrible thing. I'm sure this Marine didn't mean to kill the molester/rapist but when two men fight because one has dishonest motives and tries to have sex with the other, then fights sometimes have deadly outcomes.


I shouldn't have said funny, but people dismiss the idea this was sexual assault or a traumatic experience. I think this is very similar to a woman killing a man who attempted to rape her. She would be given sympathy by a lot of people who are criticizing this guy.

@Arthur-76 Get real.  This is out and out hatred and discrimination by a straight man who found his 5 minute pick-up to be transgendered. 

I'm not sure it justifies the killing, but I agree it is comparable to a woman fighting back against an attempted rapist. Although, we do need to know how far things had progressed before she revealed herself.

see my response to you post above!! this woman was murdered because of who she was and there is no doubt that the other marines know more than they are saying!!!


@rachelreid2
This was no woman.
It was a guy dressed like a woman.


@Oscar Morales Sanchito @rachelreid2 yes i am woman like her and you ignorance is quite apparent!!


@rachelreid2
Women do not have penises.


@Oscar Morales Sanchito @rachelreid2 so if she had sexual reassignment would this make a difference? by the way the largest sex organ in the human body is not the penis but the brain, fact!!


@bolognadems I'm a female and a rape survivor, and I can tell you that you're dead wrong. Undressing in front of someone is not trying to molest them. He saw that she wasn't born a biological woman, and he was apparently disgusted and enraged, and he chose to attack her at that point even though he could have left. It isn't right that she chose not to inform him properly that she was transgendered, but that does not deserve this kind of an attack. Not even close.


Are you sure there was no kissing or fondling or more before she revealed herself?
Maybe she didn't overpower him, or drug him, or get him drunk first, but she did intentionally trick him. Is that really any better? Do you really not think that the experience would be emotionally scarring or cause rage? Do you not think that a straight man can be emotionally damaged when being sexually molested? If a woman was sexually molested by a guy and then after it stopped, she shot him with a gun because she was emotionally distressed, would you not sympathize with her?


@Arthur-76 I think what the transgendered person was messed up and ground for prosecution, but it sounds like the marine could have easily walked away from the situation without violence. In that case killing wasn't self defense, it was murder.


@TheLastModerateAlive @Arthur-76 being transgendered is not grounds for anything!!! I am what you would called transgendered. I served two tours in the marines, graduated Penn State University etc. the issue is people perceive what we are and who we are just like in the 60's.

people fear what they do not understand !!


Would you trick someone about your sexual identity and only reveal it after you were in a hotel room? Would you wait until after some sexual activity had occurred? We don't know what happened, but the details will be important.


@Arthur-76 NO trick.  You pick someone up for a sexual fling, you get what you get.  I would sympathize with someone who has been dating for awhile without knowing, but a quick pick-up?  That deserves what ever they get including STDs.


If you believe a person deserves to have HIV because they slept with someone who knew they were likely to pass on a potentially fatal disease, there is no arguing with you and I question your morality.

@rachelreid2 @TheLastModerateAlive @Arthur-76 It's not about being transgendered. It's about the deception. There's no reason to hide who you are.


@TheLastModerateAlive @rachelreid2 @Arthur-76 how we know there was any deception and are you advocating if she deceived this thing called a marine it justified killing her? yes her


@rachelreid2 @TheLastModerateAlive @Arthur-76 I said above that it is murder. There is no justification for what he did. But there is no way she got a man that clearly hates transgendered people into a room with her without some level of deception.


@TheLastModerateAlive @rachelreid2 @Arthur-76 look at her picture and if her voice was fem and they were drinking like they stated ... very possible


@rachelreid2 @TheLastModerateAlive @Arthur-76 Lack of disclosure is still deception.


@TheLastModerateAlive @rachelreid2 @Arthur-76 what does that have to do with murdering this woman? it is the marine culture and how still marines apparently think the only good gay person is a dead one!!

on an occasion a gay male was discharged that was in intelligence at kaneohe Bay when i served  and other marines said , " i stick a boom stick up his ass then slice his throat" as they high fived each other.

there is no tolerance or acceptance in the marines!!



I agree it wasn't self defense. And I agree that it was murder if she revealed herself before any sexual activity. But if she didn't reveal herself until after they were fooling around, the then it gets more complicated.
If a woman was sexually molested by a guy and then after it stopped, she immediately shot him with a gun because she was emotionally distressed, would you not sympathize with her? Those cases have happened and they are complicated. I don't see this case as being different depending on what happened.


@Arthur-76 Emotional distress does not legalize murder, at least under US law.


Juries don't always agree.


@Arthur-76 That stems from a jury's emotional involvement in the case, not an understanding of the law.


Temporary insanity caused by a traumatic experience. I'm not saying that is what happened, but I wouldn't rule it out either.


@Arthur-76 you would make a good defense attorney!! no it is the anti gay culture of society and especially the marines!! apparently I was right the only good Rachel is a dead Rachel!! this is why i stayed quiet in the Marines!!

first she is a molester then maybe the marine suffered temp insanity? you are trying to justify the murder of a woman based on the fact she had a dick!!


I'm not defending anti gay culture and I'm sorry for your experiences, but we do have to take a good look at the details of what exactly happened. I think if she tricked him into believing she was a full fledged woman and they were having a sexual experience prior to her revealing the truth of her real sexual gender/identity, then I think he was sexually assaulted. I think you have to take into account what a man in his situation would experience emotionally: violation, humiliation, rage. It would not be his fault for creating this situation, but hers for making him believe she was something that she was not.


@Arthur-76 your definition of sexual assault and it having to do anything with her gender which ignited his rage and justification to take a human beings life. it makes me cry to  know that her parents, other loved ones and friends will never see what she was capable of int his world because this man terminated a life because she was born a certain way and dressed diff then what society deemed was appropriate by some others.

I know what this is all like and I can tell you that there is no choice at any level in if i wear a dress or suit!! the fact is a bit about me tells the mind set of this man where my mere presence was justification for a man to pull a knife on me otherwise that woman in PI could have been me!! 

you are missing the point that, at some level, you are justifying the murdering of a woman because of her mere existence and her family is not without a daughter, granddaughter or friend!!!

there is no justification!!!


You know what this is like from her perspective, but do you consider what it's like from his perspective? You demand understanding of your/her sexuality, but don't care what this would do to his psyche... probably because people like him have mistreated you. And I understand that it's personal for you, but you can't generalize and you do have to think about what an experience like this would do to an unsuspecting heterosexual. Tricking someone into a sexual experience that they would not want is violating them.

@TheLastModerateAlive @Arthur-76 jury? this woman was murdered because a marine made the choice to kill her. what happened to her between the meeting in a bar and the hotel is unknown but she is dead. what is known is a life of a woman was taken and her naked body was hanging over a toilet and people want to justify her the same as a pedophile.  this type of attack on her character is wrong!!


@rachelreid2 @TheLastModerateAlive @Arthur-76 Yeah, I'm not attacking her character, and I don't think she's anything like a pedophile.


@TheLastModerateAlive @rachelreid2 @Arthur-76 the mere comparison by some in this ongoing debate that refer to her as molesting the marine paints the picture of her being a pedophile. 


@rachelreid2 @TheLastModerateAlive @Arthur-76 Far right wingers are always going to hate on people that are different. That doesn't mean we can't talk about how to deal with a sexual exchange between people of incompatible sexual identities. Look, I spend a lot of time in Provincetown, MA. My family lives there and the town is crazy fun. Here is the average pick up exchange between someone of an incompatible sexual identity and me. This happens at least 9 or 10 times a year for me. Maybe a bit less as I've gotten older.

Someone will walk up to me
"Hey can I buy you a drink?"
"Sure you can, but you should know I'm not into guys."
"That's too bad."
About 50% of the time they buy me the drink and we chat nicely and about 50% of the time they move on. But that is how a pick up attempt is supposed to go. Everyone puts their cards on the table and you go from there. My transgendered friends understand that many people aren't going to be attracted to them and most of them accept it and look for someone that will.



@Arthur-76 Thank God it won't be here in America where crime and violence are often justified.  This marine will be forced to give up what is left of the rest of his life, and he deserves it.

@bolognadems BS, total BS.  The marine picked up someone, he was horny... really didn't care.  He might have cared when he figured out it was a transgender person.  That is no reason for murder and he will pay dearly in the country he is.  As he should.

What a world... what would happen if every woman who had been in a situation where aggressive advances were made reacted like this marine? Answer: there would be a lot fewer men in the world!

The guy should have said no, laughed in the Jennifer's face (if he felt like hurting her) and left.


@morgates
You obviously don't understand the seriousness of what this Jeffery did.


@Oscar Morales Sanchito @morgates
Her name is Jennifer!


@nadiyasmom
He can call himself whatever he wishes but if he has male genitals then he is a male!
Claiming otherwise is being dishonest.



@bolognadems @nadiyasmom so if a woman does not have ovaries she is not a real woman? narrowing a gender down to genitals is barbaric and why is there the assumption he was fooled? the word of 4 marines coached by a legal team on a US ship? 

If Jennifer tricked him by misrepresenting herself as a woman only to reveal the truth as they were being intimate in the hotel room, then she sexually assaulted him. I don't see it as being much different than rape.


@Arthur-76  That might be the most asinine thing I've ever read. She didn't assault him. Clearly, the marine would not have allowed that...


@morgates @Arthur-76 Well , it could be considered an "assault" of character  or like a setup.

The thing is, Jeffrey may have not known the marine would react violently.  He's probably been with many straigt men from the same place he met his killer.

The whole thing is a senseless murder and a shame.


@Schitt_Rumpney @morgates @Arthur-76  Maybe it was felt as an assault of character but this guy showed extreme lack of character in his reaction. He's also a danger to society (due to his reaction when angered) and probably shouldn't be walking the streets.

I can admit that it's embarrassing to a man to accidentally pick up another man thinking they are attractive only to find out that their heterosexuality may be in question (which it's not). But men need to learn that it's ok to find people (regardless of gender) attractive. There is nothing wrong with that. You just don't like "it" the way they do.

What if a woman woke up in her hotel room to find a naked guy in bed with her kissing her and he asks her if she wants to have sex? Would you not consider that to be sexual assault bordering on attempted rape?


@Arthur-76  The two scenarios are not equivalent. This man wanted this woman and as it turns out she wasn't a woman. Woops... Mistake... not some person shows up unannounced in your personal space.

@Arthur-76 Thats an excellent point.  But Pemberton wasnt in an "in fear for my life" situation where the only way out was to fight to the death.  Pemberton messed up royally and traded one 'experience' for a lifetime of hot showers, soap on a rope and th enightly grind where this time hes the "jefferey"

While murder wasn't an appropriate thing to do, what this Jeffery person did to a normal guy cannot be tolerated. Talk about an extreme punch in the face.
What did Jeffery think was going to happen when he whipped it out? Did he really think a normal man was going to go for it? If he wasn't beaten to death, he would have been lucky, especially not being in the U.S.


@Oscar Morales Sanchito  There was nothing done that merits death


@Schitt_Rumpney
Agreed.
A severe beating would have been more appropriate for what Jeffery did.


Well ok, I may have gotten mad enough to hit him, but thats still not the appropriate thing to do.  If Pemberton practiced a little common sense and self control, he would have backed away from it all, had a laugh back at the base and wont be heading to prison where theres PLENTY burley, brauny and brutuslike "Jeffery's" to break him in royally for a lifetime.
And thats no joke.

If he/she was truly "transgender," there was nothing to "whip out." You may be confusing transgender with a drag queen.

Murder is Murder. Instead of declining the night's affair, he kills the guy and acts like it was some normal event all in a day.  Well , he will soon hit the Jacked-Pot - trading one experience with a LIFETIME of spooning and nightly-conjugals with "Bubbalicius" and "Bertha Mack".


He will be the girl in many relationships and future endeavors as a member of the boys club.  Ironic isn't it?


@Schitt_Rumpney
And you have no problem with that?


@Oscar,
I have a problem with murder - regardless of Jeffrey's gender.  All the marine had to do was excuse himself from the room and no harm done. You are hating on the victim and never knew him personally. Pre-judging at its worst.
The thing id like to know is, were his other buddies' women , "women" or transgender and they didnt  disclose what went on behind their separate motel rooms?

It shouldn't be that hard to understand.
Murder is murder, no matter who the victim is.


@wdrousell
I just knew some progressive liberal would come along and disregard what gay Jeffery did to get himself killed.


@Oscar Morales Sanchito
Blacks, Mexicans, and gays - anyone else we need to know on your hate list?


@Repubs Are Fiscal Libs
Hate list?
Did I express any hatred? I most certainly don't hate black people. I have no problem with Mexicans, as long as they didn't come here illegally to leech off of our economy. And I have no hatred for gays. I only oppose the choices they make.

This is about a man who dressed up like a woman, lured a normal man into a sexual situation, and then whipped it out and yelled, "Surprise".
If you don't see any problem with that, then you are the one with the problem.


@Oscar Morales Sanchito @Repubs Are Fiscal Libs One could say that there's a problem with the situation.  One person lied to or misrepresented themselves to another (maybe).  But, Is that against the law?  Is it a crime?  Nope, and no.

As such, what you're saying, clearly, is that a non-crime by one person deserved the breaking of one of God's only ten commandments by another?  Really?  You value life so little that you believe that (allegedly) not being truthful about one's gender is a murder-worthy offense?  You can make that judgment?  A lie, even one that you find offensive, is Literally worth taking someone's life?  If that's true, yeah, there most certainly *is* someone with a problem in this conversation.


Sooo misrepresenting one's sexuality warrants the death sentence now? Wow, I'd sure hate to get a parking ticket if you were the judge.

Murder is wrong ... But a jury of piers might sympathize with the rage that could come from that situation. It's close to sexual assault to try to con a straight man into sex with you. Because a man can defend himself and go to far is the debate here. If a woman killed her rapist, people would sympathize.
Sad all around.


What did this Jeffery think was going to happen?
He dresses up like a woman. He lures a normal man into a sexual situation. He whips it out and yells, "Surprise".
What did he think was going to happen?


@Oscar Morales Sanchito Nothing should have happened. Pemberton should have declined and peacefully left the room.


@flowergirl7
Most normal men would not be able to give someone like that a pass. I know I wouldn't have been able to.
I wouldn't have killed him, but I would have severely beaten him in hopes that he wouldn't victimize anyone else with his deviant behavior.


Awwwwe now, you wouldnt have beaten him either.  Have some decency . A resonable thinking person with half a brain would have simpley declined the occassion.   It would be interesting to find out that his buddies women turn out to be transgendered too - and they didnt react radically

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